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在看到  even if as many young voters showed up as some people had hoped,conversative white christians did show up .這里面as ---as 的用法及翻譯是怎樣的。謝謝!

我來試試看　　

▼1a，even if as many young voters showed up

     as some people had hoped　　

as many=那麼多（選民）　　

showed up = 出場、到場、露面 / 很顯眼、突出/　　

as some people had hoped=正如一些人所期待——as引導的定語從句，

代替整個的主句：　　

as many young voters showed up　　

▼1b，雖然，正如一些人所期待的那樣，那么多的年輕的選民們都出場、到場、露面 了　　

▼2，conversative white christians did show up　　

保守的白色基督教徒也都出場、到場、露面 了。　　

完全同意whatthat2003網友的觀點—as 引導定語從句—，及其翻譯。為什么用as來引導定語從句而不用who,that等來引導是因為其中有比較的成份.這里as從句與所修飾的詞young voters隔開了，主要是平衡句子結構，不至于‘頭重腳輕’。

但有一點與whatthat2003網友有分歧：就是我認為這里as從句所修飾的只是young voters而不是整個主句as many young voters showed up,句子如果補全的話，應該是：even if as many young voters showed up as some people had hope (young voters) would show up ,conversative white christians did show up .括號部分(young voters) 為定語從句中所充當的成分，綠色部分省略突出了句子的簡潔性，比較的是the young voters who showed up 和 the young voters some people had hoped would show up   即數量上是相當的。

我是覺得：

如果as是替代某一名詞的，一般來說，緊貼as的前面必然會顯示該名詞，而當前的句子中，緊貼as的前面不是名詞，而是動詞showed up。　　

定語從句的關聯詞弄了好幾個，這就不得不去理解其內涵，一開始到現在我都腦袋痛——英語中讓你理解和記憶的東西太多了。　　

我覺得：as many young voters showed up表明的是一件實事，所以要用as，而不能用that等。　　

我也和Qinjianyu有相同的看法，認為這里應該是修飾young voters

但是我和Qinjianyu有分岐的地方在于我認為這里是一個比較句，而不是一個定語句。

而是一個狀語從句

說as some people had hoped是狀語從句，邏輯上也說得通。那樣的話，譯文就得有所變動了。　　

此as用法一般語法書上都將其歸入定語從句形式，以下是一段出自于新東方在線的講解：

引導狀語從句的連詞as可以用作關系代詞，引導定語從句，因而被稱作準關系代詞。
1. 準關系代詞as引導限制定語從句，用于以下3個結構中，as在從句中作主語、賓語或表語：
a. so / such…as
Such people as were mentioned by him were honest. (as作主語)
I’ve never seen such a clever man as he is. (as作表語)
Last term our maths teacher set so difficult an (= such a difficult) examination problem as none of us worked out.
b. the same…as
Modern statemen are often faced with the same problem as defeated the ancient Romans. (as 作賓語)
I like the same book as you do. (as 作賓語)
c. as…as
As many children as came were given some cakes. (as 作主語)
He is as diligent a man as ever lived. (as 作主語)

回復ppo92:

這是一個定語從句的引導形式：as......as

回復enkyklios：

 這種從句英語形式上稱為定語從句，我造個簡單點的句子：—我有一本和你一樣有趣的書。—

如果寫成定語從句的形式：I have as interesting a book as you have.

如果要用英語中的as引導的狀語從句形式表達的話，就應該是：The book I have is as interesting as yours.

上述兩句都是在進行比較，只是比較的結構形式不同而已，在內容上是一致的。

回復whatthat2003：

關于你的看法：定語從句一定要緊跟其所修飾的成分，以下是一段網上的講解：

分離型定語從句主要有以下兩種類型：
1. 先行詞與定語從句被狀語隔開。如：
He found the dictionary there he was looking for. 他在那兒找到了他在找的詞典。
I saw something in the paper which might interest you. 我在報上看到一樣可能使你感興趣的東西。
2. 將定語從句置于句末。如：
Something was going to happen that was to change the world. 當時有件事就要發生，這件事將改變世界的面貌。

一般說來，定語從句與其所修飾的成分隔開，主要是為平衡句子結構，達到一種’美觀‘的效果。

答Qinjianyu先生； 　　

應該說關于as在這種句子中的用法是有爭議的，我見到過as作為定語從句的說法。　　

同時我也見到過在這種句子中它不是定語從句而是狀語從句的說法，只能說我更同意狀語從句的說法而矣。　　

As many children as came were given some cakes　這個句子我同樣認為是狀語從句.　　

事實上并不只是as 關于than也有同樣的爭論，薄冰先生就說than有時候可以看成關系代詞有時候可以看成連詞。總之看你覺的那一種說法言之成理了。畢竟他們是語法家我們不是。　　

回復enkyklios：　　

A,{as+過去分詞}的功能：　　

之一，作定語（從句）；之二，做狀語（從句）；之三，做補足語。注：這三種功能中，as的詞性是各不相同的。　　

B,對于某具體句子，究竟屬于{as+過去分詞}功能中的哪一種，我只能從字面上作一個自己的邏輯判斷，是否正確，大家評論。　　

C,我個人認為，          As many children as came were given some cakes中的：　　

as came={as+過去分詞}，在此處為定語從句，跟句子開頭的As沒有緊密的直接關系，雖然as many… as…它們被列為一個詞組。　　

As many children as came were given some cakes中

如果當成定語從句就是；many people came ,all of them were given cakes.

事實上跟原來的意思稍有出入，原來的意思只是來的人和分蛋糕的人一樣多。當然這個問題作定語肯定是有依據的。我只是更傾向于我喜歡的觀點。

另外需要指出的是理論不同分析也不同，它和as spoken不一樣。

而且whatthat先生好像犯了一個錯誤came不是過去分詞，你把這個結構擴大了。呵呵

回enkyklios ：

關于如下你的評論： 1.另外需要指出的是理論不同分析也不同，它和as spoken不一樣。 而且whatthat先生好像犯了一個錯誤came不是過去分詞，你把這個結構擴大了 沒錯！ 2.事實上跟原來的意思稍有出入，原來的意思只是來的人和分蛋糕的人一樣多。 同意你所翻譯的內容，但聽上去有點不入中國人的思維。如果我翻的話，我會翻成：來的人都分到了蛋糕。 3.如果當成定語從句就是；many people came ,all of them were given cakes. 我覺得這里你想用一個定語從句的形式表達.應該是如此：Many people came,all of whom were given cakes.

答qinyu先生

應該說我還不至于不知道定語從句應該是

Many people came,all of whom were given cakes.

我只所以把它用上面的形式翻譯出來，是因為支持as作定語的學者認為這里不是一個比較句，因為定語從句的一個特征就是可以用并列句翻譯出來。意思又沒有太大的改變。

我還是說有很多語法家同意它是定語從句，但是我認為說它是比較句的學者更能言之成理，

總之我認為通過他們的分析我們更清楚的明白一個句子的意思是我們學習語法的最初目的不是嗎？

回復enkyklios：

看來你對語法有相當的研究，所以有如此獨到的見解，佩服！

我本來想寫的是

jianyu先生，因為在小留言框里輸入不習慣總是出現在錯誤，希望qinjianyu先生見諒。

最近的問題好像都是圍繞定語從句展開的，剛在網上（http://zhidao.baidu.com/link?url=GhEBy0yvvpPJsKwAJR-pFcUTsmPWml_Q9KlTlh3nYoZ0W9m21x3zcj0pASkclqhqPs9vvzHtWWIPwCMkKRU3ma）看到了一些從句的題目（沒有答案），有幾道還蠻有意思的，憑自己的語感做了一下，不知道對不對，現將其貼出，請語法高手參考一下。

4 This is the last factory _______ he used to work at, many workers of _______ still have a good relationship with him.

A. that; it B. which; whom C. that; which D. which; that

11 He is not _______ he used to be.

A. what B. which C. that D. as

19 He answered with such simplicity _______ he asked.

A. like B. as C. which D. unlike

 25 They elected him president, _______ he long wanted to be.

A. who B. whom C. that D. which 

29 Who _______ knows him would trust him.

A. whom B. that C. who D. which

30 You may borrow any book _______.

A. which you interest B. that you are interested C. that interests you D. which interests you

32 You may stay _______ you like.

 A. for how long B. for which long C. at which D. where

34 This is the largest clock in the world, _______ the minute hand is 6 meters long.

A. where B. of which C. whose D. which

35 There is no child _______ loves his parents.

A. but B. that C. who D. as

36 The building over there is a library, _______ is our library.

A. on the east of which B. to the east of it C. to the east of that D. east of which

我的答案是：A，A，B，D，C，B，D，B，A，C

一提考試就害怕，

我做了一下第一個，我認為應該選C

This is the last factory _______ he used to work at, many workers of _______ still have a good relationship with him.

A. that; it B. which; whom C. that; which D. which; that

我們看如果選A會有什么情況發生--兩個并列句沒有連詞，也就是傳說中的逗號句。這在考試中肯定是不允許的，盡管事實上逗號句也存在，但是我們始終不知道它的使用條件是什么（陳老師有文章專門說過逗號句）

C就變成了主從句可以沒有連詞

因為沒有答案，希望有時間的網友來做做，討論討論。

Enkyklios：你說得對，children= as和 came和不是被動關系　　

回enkyklios 　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　：2013-12-12 11:54:56　　

我覺得：　　

從語法結構看句子的表意，和究竟怎么翻譯，不是一回事。　　

翻譯分為的類型有三種吧：直譯、轉譯、意譯；　　

翻譯的效果也有三種：是地道的漢語、是英式漢語、是“甲骨文”（我和一些人就曾拜讀過國家正式出版物，里面的某章就是如此）　　

還有一個現象，外語課本后面所附的譯文：俄語的是就是“譯文”，而英語的卻是“參考譯文”　　

我的意見是這樣；

我們不能兩頭討論，你不能一方面討論結構，一方面討論意譯。

我們選擇一個語法模型去解釋一個現象應該是那個可以解釋的更加準確，從這個角度來看都應該是站在直譯的角度去討論。

至于到了操作層面，我們當然不可能死板的去翻譯，我們可能會增加沒有的詞，我們可能也會減詞，甚至我們把定語譯成狀語，把復合句譯成并列。

這都是一個操作層面上的事。不知道whatthat以為然否？

下面是2個不同的句子：　　

▼1，even if as many young voters showed up as some people had hoped,conversative white christians did show up. 　　

——句中的as many 和 as不相關　　

▼2，even if as many young voters as some people had hoped showed up,conversative white christians did show up.　　

——句中的as many 和 as相關（構成固定搭配）。　　

類似的例句：　　

▽1，He has as many books on physicss as I have. 他有的物理書和我一般多。　　

▽2，As many instruments as are in the laboratory have been made most use of. 實驗室里那么多的儀器以充分利用了。　　

▽3，There are as many books as are need. 凡是需要的書都有了。　　

▽4，Here is ajar of distilled .You may use as many as you need. 　　

這里有瓶蒸餾水，你需要多少就用多少。　　

：　　

▼1，even if as many young voters showed up as some people had hoped,conversative white christians did show up.

求教：

     請問如果并非是as......as定語從句形式，那as many在句中有什么意義，如何解釋？

前面已交代過了，你沒看到啊。

回whatthat2003 ：

關于你的以下理解：

▼1，even if as many young voters showed up as some people had hoped,conversative white christians did show up. 　　

——句中的as many 和 as不相關

你認為as many是一個詞組，換句話說，你的理解是——既然as many和as不相關，撇開句子其他成分，As many young voters showed up這句能夠獨立成句——那你能否幫我找個相似的句子，句中只有一個as many的詞組，而沒有另一個as.

謝謝。

我和whatthat先生的觀點并不一致，但是as many單用倒并不是沒有

She'd had five children in as many (= in the same number of) years and decided it was enough.

There are already twelve bottles of wine, so if I buy as many again (= another twelve bottles) we'll have enough.